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Post by hans adriane on Feb 15, 2005 11:05:40 GMT 7
If an amp used raon or cheap parts cheap din ba sound?  I know hindi?  |
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Post by JojoD818 on Feb 15, 2005 11:15:03 GMT 7
I'll put it this way, if those cheap parts are still within "tolerance" then I would say no, cheap parts don't sound cheap. However, raon parts nowadays have sloppy tolerances that when you buy a 4.7uF cap, you'll get a something too far off target value. Sure it will work, but things won't be where they should be.
As always, YMMV. ;D
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Post by kimpao on Feb 15, 2005 11:31:24 GMT 7
YMMV - You Make Me Vomit. ;D ;D ;D Mwehehehehehe My take here would be it all boils down in implementation or on how you would use such part. You may spend thousands of pesos on high-end caps but if its not properly implemented your equipment will sound cheap and vice versa. I've heard a couple of equipment that uses such caps but the sound hmmmmmmmm I'd say ...................... is CRAP!  ;D And I've heard equipment that would make you believe that it's using high-end parts yet producing very sweet sound.  |
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Post by JojoD818 on Feb 15, 2005 11:42:52 GMT 7
That's exactly my point, take carbon film resistors for instance, these have lower self inductance than other types, but we all know that metal films are quiter and have better thermal stability. So which one to use? Use carbon film resistors where they wouldn't resonate (we have L and C circuits in a tue circuit already), then put metal films where we need stability, accuracy and noise floor issues.
It's just like cooking, though every cook knows that he/she is cooking for different persons, who incidentally has different tastes.
Again, YMMV. ;D
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Post by Octaver on Feb 16, 2005 16:22:59 GMT 7
First what is Cheap sound? ;D Raon parts doesn't necessary means cheap sound it's all depends on where you use them. Botique parts are commonly named "Military Standard" these are quoted in "Reliability" & "Quality".(Low tolerance etch). There are parts makes them superb & expensive because of "Material used". Silver is better than Copper something like that. For example: What makes a " Audience" hook-up wire size 18awg different from Raon wire 18awg? Though they are the same copper base wire, diffinitely Audience is using "99.99% Virgin Copper material" while raon came from recycled copper maybe 95% or lower. Just my 5 cents |
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Post by iceman90a on Feb 2, 2006 10:03:47 GMT 7
why use premium parts? is it for the sound or for the reliability of the part?
example - why use multicaps on an ST70?
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Post by kimpao on Feb 2, 2006 10:23:45 GMT 7
why use premium parts? is it for the sound or for the reliability of the part? example - why use multicaps on an ST70? both ;D reliability - stable at high quality materials ginamit sa parlor parts. ;D sound - iba tunog ng metalized polypropylene sa paper and oil (PIO) o bee's wax. ;D |
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Post by iceman90a on Feb 2, 2006 10:28:17 GMT 7
so kailangan pala balansehin mo yung papalitan ng premium at ng regular lang para di ka mag overboard sa gastos?
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Post by s2kov on Feb 2, 2006 10:38:04 GMT 7
minsan iba na ang behaviour ng mga parts kpag may power na at dapat stable sya in this condition.
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Post by hans adriane on Feb 2, 2006 10:57:32 GMT 7
why use premium parts? is it for the sound or for the reliability of the part? example - why use multicaps on an ST70? Sound yun reason ko sa pagpalit ng parts hehehehe pero di ibig sabihin pangit yun dati.. na outgrown ko lang. ;D |
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Post by iceman90a on Feb 2, 2006 12:22:56 GMT 7
minsan iba na ang behaviour ng mga parts kpag may power na at dapat stable sya in this condition. so pag nagpalit ka ng isa - minsan chain reaction na kailangan mo palitan yung iba para makahabol... |
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Post by hans adriane on Feb 2, 2006 12:30:06 GMT 7
minsan iba na ang behaviour ng mga parts kpag may power na at dapat stable sya in this condition. so pag nagpalit ka ng isa - minsan chain reaction na kailangan mo palitan yung iba para makahabol... Depend kung ano pa kulang sa tunog na type mo KOya. ;D |
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Post by iceman90a on Feb 2, 2006 13:35:42 GMT 7
up to now - di ko pa nakukuha kung ano magiging effect sa tunog ng parts eh. for example, ano mangyayari pag nagpalit ka ng resistor... o kaya ng capacitor....
andun pako sa stage na...
sir nag drift na values ng resistor, kailangan natin palitan...
me: ok - ano ipapalit natin?
tech: allen bradley para matibay
me: mahal ba yun?
tech: ok lang price...
me: o sige
;D ;D
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Post by s2kov on Feb 2, 2006 14:03:15 GMT 7
dapat alam mo within tolerance pa din yung mga parts. that's the time you need to compare all parameters by actual measurement versus parameters indicated on the diagram. so pag nagpalit ka ng isa - minsan chain reaction na kailangan mo palitan yung iba para makahabol... |
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Post by jagner on Feb 3, 2006 7:58:49 GMT 7
up to now - di ko pa nakukuha kung ano magiging effect sa tunog ng parts eh. for example, ano mangyayari pag nagpalit ka ng resistor... o kaya ng capacitor.... andun pako sa stage na... sir nag drift na values ng resistor, kailangan natin palitan...
me: ok - ano ipapalit natin?
tech: allen bradley para matibay
me: mahal ba yun?
tech: ok lang price...
me: o sige;D ;D Vince, I too have reservations with the use of premium parts in relation to the sound, however premium parts offer better reliability and tolerances cheap electronic parts don't. I've had experience with that in my SET amp. As far as the sound is concerned, well, more often than not, the use of premium parts changes the overall characteristic of the amplified sound . however, one question remains: will the use of premium parts make the sound of the voice or the instrument natural/real; or do these premium parts add coloration to the sound, thereby making it un-natural/un-realistic Hindi ko na nasagot tanong mo, lumalim pa   |
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Post by j_albert22 on Feb 13, 2006 21:25:02 GMT 7
for me it depend kung san mo gagamitin..coz each part has different composition and use.
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Post by Octaver on Mar 30, 2006 8:58:05 GMT 7
First need to clarify what you mean by cheap sound? This is very subjective, there are levels of good sound comparison, your good sound might not be good for audiophile point of views.
Passive components have different materials & composition. Audio signal paths are very dependent on the kinds of component how you want them to hear. Accuracy & tolerance also plays a major creating an ultimate sound.
Designs & workmanship will also contribute to the sound of the equipment. No matter how good is your parts this doent mean you can achieved good sound. There are electronics parts quality that can only be seen on a particular brand. Capacitors, Resistors, Tubes, Wires, connectors etch. these components affects the quality of your system, hardware & How it sounds
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;D And I've heard equipment that would make you believe that it's using high-end parts yet producing very sweet sound. 
