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Post by hans adriane on Jan 12, 2005 16:10:07 GMT 7
Guys, Do you believe in speaker placement?? I do.. even an inch meron diff yan.. share naman kayo..  |
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Post by wanderlust on Jan 12, 2005 16:27:41 GMT 7
i do too sir............. and its all because of you. but i distinctly remember yon nandon tayo sa bahay ni Alanranch don ako napa- ilibs tlga sa tweaking sir. biruin mo when we entered the room ibang iba ang tunog nong sonus nya, he even have to turn on the rel para magka bass, but after you had your way, ayon at e na kailangan i turn on yong rel........  mapapWOW ka sa change ng sound! and to make the long story short, napa speaker placement din ako. salamas don sir ha. ;D |
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Post by j_albert22 on Jan 12, 2005 20:25:30 GMT 7
i do too sir............. and its all because of you. but i distinctly remember yon nandon tayo sa bahay ni Alanranch don ako napa- ilibs tlga sa tweaking sir. biruin mo when we entered the room ibang iba ang tunog nong sonus nya, he even have to turn on the rel para magka bass, but after you had your way, ayon at e na kailangan i turn on yong rel........ mapapWOW ka sa change ng sound! and to make the long story short, napa speaker placement din ako. salamas don sir ha. ;D wow parang kanta "because of you" hehehe hirap talaga kapag lagi ka nakakasama sa mga critical listerner ....malaki rin improvement ang placement coz nakukuha mo yong tamang imaging  |
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Post by Superman on Jan 12, 2005 21:55:38 GMT 7
Guys, Do you believe in speaker placement?? I do.. even an inch meron diff yan.. share naman kayo.. yes, SIR!...i'm a firm believer in the audiophysic method of speaker placement...you may want to try the cardas method as well... |
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Post by JojoD818 on Jan 13, 2005 9:28:05 GMT 7
I believe that a lot, sa mga concert setup nga napaka importante nyan yun pa kayang sa home setup.  |
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Post by Superman on Jan 13, 2005 13:08:54 GMT 7
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Post by punk kid on Jan 13, 2005 13:22:54 GMT 7
This is a very informative site bro! thanks |
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Post by wanderlust on Jan 13, 2005 16:04:55 GMT 7
thnk you sa site bro..... informative tlga, e2 ngat napa print out si punk ng copies.  |
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Post by sandawa on Jan 14, 2005 7:03:18 GMT 7
placement could make good speaker sound bad and bad speaker sound good. unfortunately, it's always relative to the room environment and one's ears.
the key here is experiment on setups, vertical and horizontal distances from the listening point. also ensure speaker stability to reduce resonance and other sonic ghosts. follow the dictates of your ears more than anything.
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Post by hans adriane on Jan 14, 2005 13:55:02 GMT 7
i do too sir............. and its all because of you. but i distinctly remember yon nandon tayo sa bahay ni Alanranch don ako napa- ilibs tlga sa tweaking sir. biruin mo when we entered the room ibang iba ang tunog nong sonus nya, he even have to turn on the rel para magka bass, but after you had your way, ayon at e na kailangan i turn on yong rel........ mapapWOW ka sa change ng sound! and to make the long story short, napa speaker placement din ako. salamas don sir ha. ;D Ganun ba?? hmmm pero tama si Sandawa trust your ears more than anything else. ;D ;D Wag puro upgrade. ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by james16 on Jan 14, 2005 20:20:44 GMT 7
yup, naniniwala po ako sa improvement ng sound because of speaker placement....
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Post by avphile on Jan 18, 2005 9:45:33 GMT 7
Proper speaker placement will enhance a good speaker so that it can deliver the sonics to your listening position with the least possible coloration from room boundaries or room modes so you get the flattest possible response at your listening position the way it was designed. That's the objective of proper speaker placement. This, however, won't apply to dipoles and bipoles that require interaction with room boundaries to sound their best.
Bad sounding or ill-designed speakers cannot be enhanced by room placement. A properly placed speaker that is bad to begin with will simply sound its baddest. ;D
Speakers perceived to be bright sound bright for the simple reason that room accoustics make it bright. Unless you bring the speakers closer to your ears in a near-field listening position so that the reverbs arrive too late to matter, no amount of speaker positioning change will alter the perception of brightness in an accoustically reverberant or untreated room.
OTH speakers perceived to be dull would be very diffcult to correct if it actually rolls off after 12khz. Now that's a really bad speaker. No amount of room positioning change will ever create frequencies above 12khz to add to its limited bandwidth. You could find a room placement where frequencies that the speaker can deliver is emphasized. But that defeats the purpose of having a FLAT frequency response at your listening position.
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Post by jcob on Jan 18, 2005 10:50:27 GMT 7
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Post by iceman90a on Jan 18, 2005 11:46:43 GMT 7
basic tips naman dyan, what will the following speaker movements do?
1. placing them closer together?
2. moving them towards you, away from back wall?
3. moving them towards/away from side wall?
4. toe in?
5. tilting up/down?
6. raising/lowering stands?
ty
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Post by Superman on Jan 18, 2005 13:16:43 GMT 7
bro, got this from a friend...a simplified audio physic set-up...make sure to ask someone to help you...let that person sit at your listening chair/couch...speakers should be at least 8-feet apart...both facing towards the front...then adjust the speaker toe-in slowly but surely...until you reach a position where your tweeters are directly facing the listener's ears...try to measure that when you get the "intersection" of the tweeter positions, it should be at least 1-foot away from the back of the head of the listener...i've tried this...it works...nice imaging...thanks!
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Post by avphile on Jan 18, 2005 13:20:00 GMT 7
basic tips naman dyan, what will the following speaker movements do? 1. placing them closer together? 2. moving them towards you, away from back wall? 3. moving them towards/away from side wall? 4. toe in? 5. tilting up/down? 6. raising/lowering stands? ty I think you know most if not all of these, anyway, here are just some of my thoughts, may not be applicable to some speaker designs. 1. placing them closer together? You lose stereo imaging width and create interference nodes at the center. Frequencies common to both channels are emphasized or reinforced. 2. moving them towards you, away from back wall? You create more near-field listening condition where you hear more of the speakers and less the reverbs from adjacent walls (depending on room size). Stereo imaging often improves, at the expense of bass response. Particularly helpful to enhance the spaceousness in dipoles like maggies. 3. moving them towards/away from side wall? Same as above. OTH moving them towards side walls reinforce the bass 4. toe in? Not necessary if the on and off axis dispersion is the same, but you generally get better localization and imaging. 5. tilting up/down? Depends on the direction they are being aimed at. Presummably aimed at the lears in the listening positions, you get better localizaiton and detail of sounds as you benefit from its on-axis dispersion trait. Often more applicable to center channels so that the speakers' tweets dispersion is more or less aligned together with the L and R tweets along an imaginary horizontal line at the listening position. 6. raising/lowering stands? In general, the further away from adjacent boundaries, the lesser the bass, but you get better detailing and imaging. The floor, like a wall, acts to reinforce the bass, so the higher the speaker is from the floor, the lesser the bass. Sometimes, the detailing of the mids improves as well. That's essentially what putting enough space around speakers would do, reduce secondary reverbs from adjacent boundaries that can confuse or drown-out the more subtle or delicate details. |
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Post by avphile on Jan 18, 2005 13:28:06 GMT 7
Have read that article. Many more interesting and useful articles at audioholics. Their administrators are a bunch of audio gurus whose objectivity towards audio can be alarming to subjectivists. ;D |
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Post by ppp383 on Jan 20, 2005 19:13:35 GMT 7
As I have experienced, positioning the speakers with 15 degrees inward and tweeters 2" above ur head in a 3 to 4 feet distance from sitting position can achieved a balance and exact centerstage be the room is a perfect square, rectangle or not so squarely perfect room.
this is more noticeable when I acquired the MA B2 sitting it on a 24" Speaker stands, the vocals and bass guitar seems to be off-centered falling-off slightly on the right channel.
Tried many speakers positions to acquired the centerstage needed but I was unsucessfull until I unintentionally put it on top of my other bookshelf speakers making the height of the tweeters above my head and I was surprised that I get the balance I needed.... at last.
Please be reminded that I have a 4x5 sq. meters listening room with distances I mentioned above.
So for those with small or not so small music room maybe you can try this and experienced it yourself...
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Post by wanderlust on Jan 21, 2005 11:16:08 GMT 7
reading all those speaker positioning materials makes me want to try it by the book, as recommended....however the difficulty is doing it by yourself, exhaustion frustration are major factors, but as i have read one article, its a long process which we should enjoy.
pro sana lang my tutulong sakin dyan na myembro ng golden ears commission ;D
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Post by hans adriane on Jan 21, 2005 20:42:27 GMT 7
reading all those speaker positioning materials makes me want to try it by the book, as recommended....however the difficulty is doing it by yourself, exhaustion frustration are major factors, but as i have read one article, its a long process which we should enjoy. pro sana lang my tutulong sakin dyan na myembro ng golden ears commission ;D Yan ang kailangan mo.. EARS!! ;D |
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mapapWOW ka sa change ng sound!
