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Post by southpeak on Jan 17, 2006 22:56:21 GMT 7
Please post your PIONEER amplifier here (vintage or otherwise). And to start the ball rolling… During my university days, the most I can remember about the brand were the jeepney-baby bus eight track and tape deck player-radio combination. The once with large round face dial for radio station tuning. Very loud, very makalansing sound coming from those Pioneer stereo-speakers combination. Rockers delight!! This time around, I will have the opportunity to hear what the brand has best to offer thru this equipment. May I introduce the newest member of my audio collection.. The PIONEER Elite A-91D Integrated Amplifier. international version www.elitestereo.netfirms.com/a91d.htmjapanese line A-90D www.niji.or.jp/home/k-nisi/a-717.htmsome pictures        thank you very much for looking.. |
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Post by sandawa on Jan 18, 2006 7:46:37 GMT 7
lahat ng magagandang amps sinasala mo dyan sa Maynila, sir. that unit is definitely superior compared with new production amps priced at over P50K. daming naghahanap ng Elite series, swerte ka. my only Pioneer amp now is a vintage SA-710 (Japan model) rated at 20wpc. but i have several Pioneer tape decks, a CDP and even a pair of speakers. had several Pioneer gear back in the '80s but everything got sold. ang bilis tumakbo ng Pioneer especially among hifi oldtimers, also at high price. great brand - second most popular among members of Audio Karma. here's my SA-710 bought at P750:  |
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Post by southpeak on Jan 18, 2006 10:11:23 GMT 7
Sirs, please bare with me. I have a newbie question. From what I have gathered, this particular model has 3 variant in terms of power consumption. Japan model – 365 watts US model – 670 watts International model – 1000 watts All giving out 120 watts per channel into 8 ohm. Each country or region has different electrical operating platform with reference to voltage requirement. Is this the reason why they have different power consumption? Does this mean the total cost of ownership for the international model is higher due to higher power consumption, higher electrical bill? or not.. Pasensya na po. Mahirap talaga walang background sa basic electricity..  |
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Post by diego on Jan 18, 2006 10:14:40 GMT 7
second sandawa on his observation that better units are found there in manila. i guess traders are doing better business there . The davao market for high end units are quite limited and i think only sandawa and i are the regular buyers. My recent purchase is a pioneer a-717 a nice unit but nothing compared to your A91d . I think the A-717 is not a part of the elite series but it sure looks expensive though with the twin transformers and copper body. a lot of discussion on the A-717 can be found here: audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=48381&highlight=pioneer+a-717congrats on your unit and hope i can find one here that is if sir sandawa won't beat me to it (he-he0 |
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Post by sandawa on Jan 18, 2006 10:58:48 GMT 7
ben,
hindi newbie question yan ha. i'm also puzzled by that since if you look at the Yamaha website on amp manuals, the same amp model would have different power consumptions, usually the European model (240V/50hz) has the highest figures. i reckon this has something to do with voltage and current.
however, there are also evidences of revisions on the innards of same models distributed internationally. it could be streamlining in order for Japanese models to compete in the international market. Jap affordability level was once the highest among the big economies, thus they could sell the same amp models in Japan at higher price compared with those they sent to foreign ports.
with the revision, which may result in inferior parts in some cases, the power consumption could also change to lower or higher figures.
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Post by Lordfoo on Jan 18, 2006 11:38:19 GMT 7
Hi Sir Southpeak, I saw an AD for a pioneer elite A-91D a while back. These babies are rare enough that it must be the same unit. I love it when models have the number nine (9). Along with the pioneer Spec models... the Elite models are most sought after...They still command high prices. Congrats on your acquisition Sir Southpeak. |
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Post by diego on Jan 18, 2006 12:52:10 GMT 7
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Post by southpeak on Jan 18, 2006 15:10:14 GMT 7
Sirs diego, sandawa, lordfoo.. thank you all for your kind words. much appreciated. A backgrounder on the unit. According to the seller, he is the first owner. And as proof he still has the original receipt from Cardinal Audio in Virra Mall, Greenhills dated 1990. I believe him. If you can see the unit’s mint condition, kulang nalang kahon. Talagang maalaga sa mga gamit nya. He has his own AV room.  nani, i hope some of our resident electrical gurus could shed light on our query regarding power comsumption. palaisipan talaga.. ;D sir diego, if you babel fish translate the site for the Japanese version A-90D I attached on my 1st message (also on the audiokarma site you attached) , the first unit that will appear is the A-717 which is the basic platform of the A-90D as translated. Difference being the “urushi” finish, fascia layout and wpc RMS. I’m sure there is not much difference in sound quality. Congrats sir.. sir lordfoo, yes I think it’s the same unit. It was advertised in both pinoy dvd and wiredstate a few months back kaya lang wala pa ko pera. but as the audio gods would have it, still available pa nung nakaipon na ako. Again, thank you so much for looking.. |
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Post by Lordfoo on Jan 18, 2006 17:07:44 GMT 7
Sir southpeak I just realized I don't have any Pioneer Integrated amp. I have three vintage pioneer receivers though. (SR 636, 1080 and 1250)
A brother of mine has the Pioneer SA9500 with the macho handles. He says they can handle most of his speakers. The SA9500 benefitted from recapping. I remember him saying it is a little bright.
How's the performance of your elite? What speakers have you matched them with? My pioneer receivers could handle any speaker i throw at them. And the bass...(the bass output climbs up through your toes...up your legs...thumps your stomach, caresses your chests, crawls up your neck, your face and enters your ears... and then jumps out your hair...making each strand stand up to give the amp a standing ovation. heheh)
Do you have matching pioneer speakers? Saw several pairs at the pier but I'm still scouting around for a nice pair. Have you heard of the fabled HPM150 much sought after by the AudioKarma guys? I havent seen one yet. All I see are Pioneer CS models.
By the way, all our cars used to have those Pioneer car receivers with the round dials you mentioned. Super tuners they are called...and they earned the super sobriquet.
Once, I had our unit repaired at a Raon shop. The owner tried to replace my old unit with a brand new pioneer tuner. can you believe that? The tuner goes well with that Horn tweeter usually placed by jeepney driver in front of the jeepney almost in your face when you right up front. Those tweeters (TS something?) are really in your face speakers.
Most jeepneys then used to have those 8 track players with tapes literally covering the front of the jeepney windshield with just a small slit for the driver to see.
Black Sabbath, Led Zepellin, Doors, Rolling Stones, Rare Earth, Grand Funk Railroad, Creedence Clearwater revival are some of the artist the drivers favor.
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Post by southpeak on Jan 19, 2006 14:36:03 GMT 7
Quite an impressive line up of Pioneer receivers lordfoo. I’m sure they all sound impressive and would make any pair of speakers sing.  The elite is now paired with the Celestion SL12Si and I have to say they make a very good combination. 12Sis are power hungry and the A-91D is just what they needed. The bass is now tighter with more punch and the mid-highs clearer. Not only did I hear improvement but also “felt” it too. Played BB King and Eric Clapton’s “Rock Me Baby”… Malakas tumulak sir.  . Sa vocals naman, Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong's "Moonlight in Vermont" never sounded so good. As if Ella and Louis are just in front of you. heavenly . The SL12 and 91D really compliment each other. I still have to try it on my Wharfe Evo 30 and Athena S3 which are easier to drive. The only pair of Pioneer speakers i have are installed my car. ;D. may be in the future, will try them also.. I still remember those cassettes stacked in front of those windshields. Minsan nga ako na kinakabahan at di ko na makita ang daan. They were also quite a piece of graphic art with all those neon colored title plates.. |
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Post by southpeak on Jan 19, 2006 15:08:47 GMT 7
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Post by narayan on Jan 19, 2006 20:27:26 GMT 7
bros. southpeak and lordfoo, IIRC, ung pioneer na may 8 track player very popular many moons ago was the KP-500 model  napaghahalata mga edad natin nito ;D ;D ;D the audio gods must really be smiling at you bro southpeak with your latest snag when the ad came out, it got me into thinking about it also ;D |
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Post by southpeak on Jan 20, 2006 19:21:12 GMT 7
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Post by sandawa on Jun 3, 2006 19:46:18 GMT 7
Got a Pioneer SA-8800, a mid '70s middle-of-the-range amp, last week. Had time to open it today to replace a busted power indicator lamp. Bought it from a warehouse here in Davao at P1.2K, as-is, looks like it does not power up but in reality, the only problem is the lamp. Repair time today is roughly 30 minutes and cost of new 12V lamp is P15. Jap websites rate the amp's power differently, from as low as 60wpc to as high as 80wpc. Working on it gives me the opportunity to take pictures for the benefit of those who are into vintage solid state amps who may see a similar unit in the future. At least, it could be used as reference specifically if the innards look original. The photos show the front and back of the amp and without its top cover.    |
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Post by turismo1997 on Sept 26, 2006 21:36:47 GMT 7
although not an amp, my father still has his pioneer stereo receiver SX 434 hooked up with a pair of mirsch OM 3-28
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Post by m_shoe_maker on Jun 27, 2007 20:56:06 GMT 7
The once with large round face dial for radio station tuning. That's the famous Pioneer KP500. The PIONEER Elite A-91D Integrated Amplifier. Pioneer ELITE series, para sa mga sosyal yan! WOW! |
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Post by zetroce on Nov 12, 2007 17:14:00 GMT 7
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. Sa vocals naman, Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong's "Moonlight in Vermont" never sounded so good. As if Ella and Louis are just in front of you. heavenly 
napaghahalata mga edad natin nito ;D ;D ;D
