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Post by JojoD818 on Jan 24, 2005 12:06:53 GMT 7
ah darn it! that's it! ;D
best sounding amps are not for me then because i like my amps 10W up!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
tama kayo, own both and enjoy!
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Post by akyatbundok on Jan 24, 2005 12:34:11 GMT 7
may i add some salt to everyone's sweet & sour (or some grey area to black & white):
is it a guarantee that when i choose PP it will always sound dynamic on any speaker, or that when i choose SET it is guaranteed to sound sweet -- in a level that is unachievable by the other? para bang si cheri hil yun pagka-"exclusive" nun sinabi niyang: "you're nothing but a second rate, trying hard copycat" hehehehe
to be more specific, has anyone heard of a PP sound sweeter than a SET, or a SET sound more dynamic than a PP? or to put it negatively, a SET that sounds colder than a good PP, or a PP that sounds more anemic than a SET.
when buying, do you look out for generalization or the exception?
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Post by iceman90a on Jan 24, 2005 12:41:13 GMT 7
may i add some salt to everyone's sweet & sour (or some grey area to black & white): is it a guarantee that when i choose PP it will always sound dynamic on any speaker, or that when i choose SET it is guaranteed to sound sweet -- in a level that is unachievable by the other? para bang si cheri hil yun pagka-"exclusive" nun sinabi niyang: "you're nothing but a second rate, trying hard copycat" hehehehe to be more specific, has anyone heard of a PP sound sweeter than a SET, or a SET sound more dynamic than a PP? or to put it negatively, a SET that sounds colder than a good PP, or a PP that sounds more anemic than a SET. when buying, do you look out for generalization or the exception? an amp - by itself will not sound sweet (neither will a pair of spkrs) - it will not make any sound at all ;D what will determine the characteristic will be the speaker paired with the amp to answer your questions in this light: yes - i have heard a push-pull set-up sound sweeter than a SET set-up and yes - i have heard a SET set-up sound more dynamic than a push-pull set-up
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Post by akyatbundok on Jan 24, 2005 12:50:10 GMT 7
uy yan ang gusto ko, SET na mas dynamic sa PP, at PP na mas sweet sa SET! ;D
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Post by iceman90a on Jan 24, 2005 12:54:16 GMT 7
uy yan ang gusto ko, SET na mas dynamic sa PP, at PP na mas sweet sa SET! ;D ha ha ha! so pareho pa rin! ;D
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Post by hans adriane on Jan 24, 2005 18:06:22 GMT 7
an amp - by itself will not sound sweet (neither will a pair of spkrs) - it will not make any sound at all ;D what will determine the characteristic will be the speaker paired with the amp to answer your questions in this light: yes - i have heard a push-pull set-up sound sweeter than a SET set-up and yes - i have heard a SET set-up sound more dynamic than a push-pull set-up San mo na audition ito KOya Iceman??
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Post by rony on Jan 24, 2005 18:27:10 GMT 7
ang kwestion ba ay kung PP or SET. which do you prefer? ang dapat una natin malaman ay kung ano speaker meron ka na o kaya kung ano speaker ang gusto natin bilhin. Malaking basehan kasi yun speakers kung papa piliin ka ng PP or SET na amplifier. Kung ang existing speakers natin ay nasa category ng tube friendly mag PP ka na pwede rin single ended pero me mga instances na mabibitin din. Ang mga speakers kasi na dapat pang single ended ay napakamahal at konti ang models na ating pagpipilian. Mahirap pag debatihan ito kasi marami factors ang nakataya. Maganda sa maganda talaga ang single ended kesa PP kasi iba siya mag present ng sound. di lang sweet kundi very dynamic ang single ended kung ang speaker ay maluwag tumunog doon ko nakikita ang malaking problema ng SET ay nasa speaker. Yun lang po
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Post by iceman90a on Jan 24, 2005 19:31:07 GMT 7
San mo na audition ito KOya Iceman?? dynamic SET - joe3rp's modified 2a3 driving fostex mini voigt's at vintage dog's house sweet PP - my ST70 driving SF Minima FM2 he he he nagbuhat ng bangko
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Post by s2kov on Jan 24, 2005 19:34:37 GMT 7
agree! ;D dynamic SET - joe3rp's modified 2a3 driving fostex mini voigt's at vintage dog's house sweet PP - my ST70 driving SF Minima FM2 he he he nagbuhat ng bangko
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Post by rony on Jan 24, 2005 19:39:58 GMT 7
dynamic SET - joe3rp's modified 2a3 driving fostex mini voigt's at vintage dog's house sweet PP - my ST70 driving SF Minima FM2 he he he nagbuhat ng bangkokitam kasi madali birahin yun speakers kaya dynamic siya pero dapat sweet din yun baka kulang sa audition. hehehe Minima - character ng SF yun pagiging sweet sounding
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Post by akyatbundok on Jan 24, 2005 20:55:08 GMT 7
dagdag ko rin sa dynamic SET yun naka-display dati sa shop ni master rene, 2A3 tubes din ang gamit, not sure about the brand pero ang ganda ng tunog with fast music, driving Triangle bookshelf speakers..... tsaka yun Sun Audio 2A3 ni isak driving Epos ES14. sa sweet PP naman (push-pull ha ;D ) i think yun Scott ni kimpao and Eico ni rony.... dunno how it compares with SET pero para sakin waswit din.
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Post by hans adriane on Jan 24, 2005 20:56:09 GMT 7
dynamic SET - joe3rp's modified 2a3 driving fostex mini voigt's at vintage dog's house sweet PP - my ST70 driving SF Minima FM2 he he he nagbuhat ng bangkoHmmm pwede nga!!
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Post by hans adriane on Jan 24, 2005 21:00:43 GMT 7
dagdag ko rin sa dynamic SET yun naka-display dati sa shop ni master rene, 2A3 tubes din ang gamit, not sure about the brand pero ang ganda ng tunog with fast music, driving Triangle bookshelf speakers..... tsaka yun Sun Audio 2A3 ni isak driving Epos ES14. sa sweet PP naman (push-pull ha ;D ) i think yun Scott ni kimpao and Eico ni rony.... dunno how it compares with SET pero para sakin waswit din. Chief Akyat, Sama mo Duntonic PP mo 6v6 sweet din..
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Post by akyatbundok on Jan 24, 2005 21:19:41 GMT 7
thanks fafa, ano kaya kung parallel-SET para mas flexible sa speaker? parang nakakita ako dun sa phasetron ng parallel single-ended 2A3 at 300B kaso may kamahalan na.
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Post by hans adriane on Jan 25, 2005 9:27:27 GMT 7
thanks fafa, ano kaya kung parallel-SET para mas flexible sa speaker? parang nakakita ako dun sa phasetron ng parallel single-ended 2A3 at 300B kaso may kamahalan na. Yup saw that too meron pa ata yun 300B.
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Post by kimpao on Jan 25, 2005 11:11:49 GMT 7
Parallel-SET na Monoblocks! Ano kaya pwede 300b o 2A3?
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Post by s2kov on Jan 25, 2005 21:17:33 GMT 7
SEP na 807 ayaw mo? Parallel-SET na Monoblocks! Ano kaya pwede 300b o 2A3?
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Post by Octaver on Jan 26, 2005 10:00:17 GMT 7
Is this your next project sir? Hope kasing ganda rin ito ng JE Labs 2A3 mo! Abangan!
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Post by JojoD818 on Jan 26, 2005 11:45:55 GMT 7
yan pala next project mo eh... pwede magpaturo sa iyo master? txt na lang kita.... ;D ;D
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Post by akyatbundok on Jan 26, 2005 12:47:21 GMT 7
lalo tuloy ako naging curious sa SET na yan.... plano ko magkaroon ng SET last year pero SEP ang nakuha ko, satisfied naman ako sa tunog, malinis ang mids ng STC ni andrew whether SE or PP, kaso gusto ko rin ng orig na triode for comparison.
pwede ba gawin switchable ang PP at SET? yun isang monoblock channel ng PP pwede ba i-switch to SET na stereo? mukhang pareho lang naman ang tube complement, pero baka mahirap implement ang circuit.
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