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Post by hans adriane on Feb 2, 2005 16:59:44 GMT 7
Chief! Yung set-up ni kOYa pang 1812 Overture yan! Ahehehehe....... ;D ;D DOM Kimpao, Ganun ba... buti na lang di nasira speakers nila.. ;D ;D
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Post by audioboy on Feb 2, 2005 17:42:20 GMT 7
I heard 2a3 SET amp driving the SF speaker, you won't believe that the amp drives the speaker well! No clippings at high volume:) Guess what? It is the SUN AUDIO SV2A3 that drives the Concerto! ;D hmmm. that's a revelation.
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Post by rony on Feb 2, 2005 18:35:08 GMT 7
masta rony, Di naman mabilis... kasi 1st time ma-audition yan in one roof hehehehe.. IDOL mo setup ko naku po.. you must be kidding Masta eh pansit lang setup ko sa Vintage amps mo.. ;D ;D ;D Ano naman panama nung sa akin puros gasgas at kalawang na yun. Pag nadikit ka dito malamang matetano ka pa hehehe. kaw naman hehehe contodos rekados na yun sa iyo plus chrome plated (and wood sidings na ba? ano yan narra galing quezon province yan ano?) cerafine, auricaps, tantalums, blackgates, vishays,multicap, jensens , tungsol VT231 pa yan, Sylvania 6sn7w(mother of all 6sn7/reference of all 6sn7) tapos ilang karat na ng ginto at pilak na ilagay mo dyan sa amp mo. Baka maisipan mo pa na mag tamura na output tranny pati choke naka tamura na rin tapos lahat naka silver screws. Fish tayo kuya ha pero kidding aside tigilan mo na yan. Mag invest ka na lang sa tubes para maiba sound niya o kaya maximise mo gamit mo gaya ng speaker positioning, good cables, good softwares, etc. Isa pa payo ko bilhin mo yun KT77 na gold lion mura yun AMX tunog audio note ka.
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Post by hans adriane on Feb 2, 2005 19:08:54 GMT 7
Ano naman panama nung sa akin puros gasgas at kalawang na yun. Pag nadikit ka dito malamang matetano ka pa hehehe. kaw naman hehehe contodos rekados na yun sa iyo plus chrome plated (and wood sidings na ba? ano yan narra galing quezon province yan ano?) cerafine, auricaps, tantalums, blackgates, vishays,multicap, jensens , tungsol VT231 pa yan, Sylvania 6sn7w(mother of all 6sn7/reference of all 6sn7) tapos ilang karat na ng ginto at pilak na ilagay mo dyan sa amp mo. Baka maisipan mo pa na mag tamura na output tranny pati choke naka tamura na rin tapos lahat naka silver screws. Fish tayo kuya ha pero kidding aside tigilan mo na yan. Mag invest ka na lang sa tubes para maiba sound niya o kaya maximise mo gamit mo gaya ng speaker positioning, good cables, good softwares, etc. Isa pa payo ko bilhin mo yun KT77 na gold lion mura yun AMX tunog audio note ka. masta rony, Tagal na ako natigil sa kakakulit sa amp ko.. hehehehe ;D ;D
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Post by hans adriane on Feb 2, 2005 19:10:02 GMT 7
masta rony,
Teka san yun KT77 ?? ;D ;D
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Post by dracula on Feb 2, 2005 23:58:21 GMT 7
I would've tried a SET amp, but my choice of amps was driven mostly by my preference in speakers, which speakers would a SET amp have no trouble driving?
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s2kov
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Post by s2kov on Feb 3, 2005 7:14:21 GMT 7
speakers that has 94dB up sensitivity like the omega. what speakers do you have? I would've tried a SET amp, but my choice of amps was driven mostly by my preference in speakers, which speakers would a SET amp have no trouble driving?
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Post by JojoD818 on Feb 3, 2005 13:54:25 GMT 7
speakers that has 94dB up sensitivity like the omega. what speakers do you have? Bro, wala daw black fr4 na board dun eh, yun naman fibra parang yun ginagamit sa mga trafo natin. Sorry... Ganda pala sensitivity nyan omega ha.
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Post by s2kov on Feb 3, 2005 14:28:09 GMT 7
ganun ba! oks lng jo, cguro yung acrylic na lng gamitin ko. thanks. Bro, wala daw black fr4 na board dun eh, yun naman fibra parang yun ginagamit sa mga trafo natin. Sorry... Ganda pala sensitivity nyan omega ha.
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Post by JojoD818 on Feb 3, 2005 16:45:00 GMT 7
ganun ba! oks lng jo, cguro yung acrylic na lng gamitin ko. thanks. baka pwede nga yun plexiglass sa apps mo, drilleable naman yun. actually hindi ko alam kung san mo gamitin kaya di ako makapag suggest. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by dracula on Feb 3, 2005 18:24:08 GMT 7
speakers that has 94dB up sensitivity like the omega. what speakers do you have? I'm using a pair of sonus faber concertos for audio....
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Post by Octaver on Feb 14, 2005 12:50:54 GMT 7
Source: From one of the article of Anthony Armstrong.
Triode based tube amplifiers were the first, simplest, and in my opinion still the best amplifiers. Their sound is wonderful, in part, because they are simple. The best in this category is called a single ended Class A triode amplifier (otherwise known as an SET). Usually one output tube is used, and the plate is connected to one wire on the primary winding of an output transformer (for your information, the secondary winding of this transformer supplies the speakers), while the other wire of the output transformer primary winding is connected to the power supply. Usually about 5 to 30 watts of output can be obtained from these tiny mites. Don’t be fooled by the lower output values; the sound is marvelous
Due to the design characteristics of tube amplifiers, they offer a distinct sound that is different than that produced by solid-state amplifiers. For example SET's have a very well-known pattern of distortion that produces what is known as a second harmonic distortion. Second harmonic distortion is musically equivalent to adding the same tone one octave higher, to form a chord. In this case the added tone is at a lower level (not as loud) but the effect is to "fatten" the sound. This second harmonic tends to be very pleasing to the human ear, thus making SETs extremely pleasant to listen to for long periods of time.
The tube amplifier is still a modern wonder with early 20th century technology, but its sheer sonic performance might just convince you that it has a place in the 21st Century home audio rig.
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Post by RU9 on Feb 14, 2005 15:21:47 GMT 7
Source: From one of the article of Anthony Armstrong. Triode based tube amplifiers were the first, simplest, and in my opinion still the best amplifiers. I did consider SET, but I wanted to keep my 84dB speakers. Also if you factor in the cost of a 300B or 2A3, including replacement tubes, that would cost more. So, I decided in a push-pull design. Did not regret my decison.
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Post by Octaver on Feb 15, 2005 10:30:00 GMT 7
I did consider SET, but I wanted to keep my 84dB speakers. Also if you factor in the cost of a 300B or 2A3, including replacement tubes, that would cost more. So, I decided in a push-pull design. Did not regret my decison. Yor're right, it's not only the cost of 2a3 or 300b tubes but you will also replace your speakers (84db). Everything is base on your preference & budget. I had experienced different PP Tube amps but when i experienced SET....it's different! Mids to die for! Bass extension! at low listening volume! Kinda relaxing! Pure listening pleasure kahit 24hrs pa naka bukas...really no ear fatigue.
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Post by hans adriane on Feb 15, 2005 10:51:06 GMT 7
Yor're right, it's not only the cost of 2a3 or 300b tubes but you will also replace your speakers (84db). Everything is base on your preference & budget. I had experienced different PP Tube amps but when i experienced SET....it's different! Mids to die for! Bass extension! at low listening volume! Kinda relaxing! Pure listening pleasure kahit 24hrs pa naka bukas...really no ear fatigue. bro sa PP amp kaya din yan.
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Post by akyatbundok on Feb 15, 2005 12:56:55 GMT 7
hehehe same adjectives as some PP amps that i know, as well as a friend's ex- SET amp........ tingin ko nasa implementation yun, kahit PP man o SET may maganda at pangit din.
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Post by Octaver on Feb 16, 2005 7:50:25 GMT 7
bro sa PP amp kaya din yan. Akala ko rin yan Sir!
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Post by XGol on Feb 16, 2005 11:19:51 GMT 7
SE or PP? will leave the generalizations to those who heard a lot of SE and PP ('coz for me, that's a reqt). will share based on my limited experience and toys: 1. my 8-watt SEUL sounds more dynamic (and more drive) than my 22wpc PP. SEUL is tube-rectified and PP is SS-rectified. 2. my 8-watt SEUL projects bigger and fuller vocals than my SET. i cannot explain these but there are just too many variables to make generalizations from. this doesn't mean i prefer SEUL over PP or SET. am just pointing out these paradoxes. there are definitely likeable qualities in my PP and SET amps. I also prefer comparing two units side-by-side, like two amps, two pres, two speakers, etc as this lends me focus in the exercise. (my ears get easily confused ) of course, this practice should in no way lead me to generalizations about topologies or tubes per se. in my view, the best way to compare is to have an open mind (and ears!) and closed eyes (blind test)... the latter helps keep biases off bay. speaking of biases, am for SIMPLE. STRAIGHT. LESS. on Raon parts: i have built a SET, mainly of Raon or similar regular grade stuff and AB'd it with a popular Branded SET using same output tubes but different circuitry. Both the owner and I agreed that the RAON set can beat the SET Brand X in some respects. Is it worth the 10x price tag difference? Individual preferences come into play. My gripes about Raon-grade parts are in reliability or quality. Per my experience, they don't live long and sometimes they're not up to specs.
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Post by s2kov on Feb 16, 2005 12:33:44 GMT 7
Agree! It's the reliability and stability issue that makes you decide to use boutique parts. [quote author=XGol link=board=tubes&thread=1105514320&start=137#9 date=1108527591] on Raon parts: i have built a SET, mainly of Raon or similar regular grade stuff and AB'd it with a popular Branded SET using same output tubes but different circuitry. Both the owner and I agreed that the RAON set can beat the SET Brand X in some respects. Is it worth the 10x price tag difference? Individual preferences come into play. My gripes about Raon-grade parts are in reliability or quality. Per my experience, they don't live long and sometimes they're not up to specs. [/quote]
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Post by kimpao on Feb 16, 2005 13:00:58 GMT 7
Mids to die for! Bass extension! at low listening volume! Heto lang katapat niyan, matching lang ng gamit yan pre: Technics SL1200 mk2, Audible Illusion Preamp, Stock ST70 Series 1 and LS3/5A will do the trick. And you won't even notice that it's a PP amp.
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